Racism in Hawaii – How it Could Affect Chris Deedy’s Trial

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According to an article in the Honolulu Civil Beat from June, 2012, the idea of racism and an anti-mainland sentiment could have an impact on Chris Deedy’s criminal trial.

Please take a look at the article below so you can have a good idea of some of the controversy surrounding Chris’ case.

Originally posted 6/19/2012
Honolulu Civil Beat

Can a White Federal Agent Who Killed a Hawaii Local Get a Fair Trial?

by Nick Grube

Racial tension has played an important role in Hawaii’s history ever since Capt. James Cook first stepped foot on the Sandwich Isles.

From the imprisonment of Queen Liliuokalani and the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy in the 1890s to “Kill Haole Day” and the stagnation of the Akaka bill in Congress, it’s been an underlying part of the daily discourse here.

Now a Honolulu attorney representing U.S. special agent Christopher Deedy, who shot a local man in a Waikiki McDonald’s, wants to make sure these long-simmering feelings won’t keep his client — who is charged with murder — from getting a fair trial.

Immediately after, protesters took to the streets decrying Elderts’ death and blaming APEC.

There was also speculation about the circumstances leading up to the shooting. Was Elderts bullying Deedy and his friends, using racial epithets to rile the visiting federal agent? Or was it Deedy who was the aggressor, asking Elderts if he wanted to get shot and escalating a verbal argument into one that ended in tragedy.

While part of this response was due to the highly charged atmosphere created by APEC, Deedy’s attorney, Brook Hart, argues in court documents that much of it can also be attributed to increased media scrutiny and underlying socioeconomic and cultural issues facing the people of Hawaii.

In a recent phone interview, he also noted that “some pretty strong anti-mainland, anti-haole sentiment” has arisen since the shooting.

“The case involves many aspects and they go well beyond the particular incident in McDonald’s,” Hart said. “We have a strong and vibrant community of local folks who have very negative feelings about actions that the federal government have taken over the years and those might well be translated in animosity toward an agent of the federal government.”

Michael Green, the attorney representing Elderts’ family in a civil suit against Deedy, disagrees with Hart’s assertion, and says race hasn’t become a legitimate factor in the case.

“He’s trying to create any type of an issue that the thinks might help him at trial,” Green said. “He’s doing his job as a lawyer.”

Hart didn’t want to delve into details, saying that he wants to save his comments for the courtroom. He added that he hasn’t made a decision yet on whether to ask for a change of venue. Trial has been set for September.

But in his May 14 court filing that asks for permission to more thoroughly question jurors about their potential bias, Hart describes some of the outside influences on the case and how those were latched onto by groups, such as Moana Nui, (De)Occupy Honolulu and the Hawaiian sovereignty movement.

“This case became a symbol of the federal government wrongfully exercising jurisdiction over the Hawaiian Kingdom; it became a sign of the 1% oppressing the 99%; it became an example of a mainland ‘haole’ allegedly expressing malice and prejudice towards a local Hawaiian,” Hart said in his motion.

“It further sparked discussions on handguns and concealed carry, as well as on the roles that alcohol, drugs, and ‘clubbing’ play in our society. Through in-depth media coverage, Special Agent Deedy’s case raised deep-seated social, psychological, and philosophical issues, especially those particular to Hawaii, such as oppression, sovereignty, and racism.”

The large media contingent in Honolulu for APEC exacerbated the details of the shooting, Hart said. It also allowed people upset over APEC and Elderts’ killing to take to online message boards and comment sections to further decry the shooting of a “native son” by a federal agent from the mainland.

As evidence of this Hart submitted more than 600 pages of articles from local, regional and national news organizations as well as information from blog posts and YouTube.

It should also be noted that the same day Hart filed his motion to for more extensive juror questioning, he submitted another motion to have the case dismissed, saying Deedy was was immune from prosecution because he was acting in self-defense and in his official capacity as a law enforcement officer. Both motions have yet to be heard by a judge.

Unusual Legal Tactic May Be ‘Valid’

Hart’s head-on discussion about race, ethnicity and locals-versus-haoles appears to be uncommon.

Some have made comparisons between the upcoming Deedy trial and the 1930s Massie case, which Hart describes as “infamous.” To many, the Massie case highlights the history of tense race relations on Hawaii.

Thalia Massie, the young wife of a Navy officer, reported she was abducted and raped by five non-whites after she left a Honolulu party. The five men, whose ethnicities ranged from native Hawaiian to Japanese to Chinese-Hawaiian, were put on trial and later released.

Massie’s husband, Thomas, then conspired with his mother-in-law to kidnap and kill one of the five suspects, Joseph Kahahawai. Thomas Massie, his mother-in-law and two accomplices were tried and convicted of manslaughter, although their sentences were quickly commuted.

The fallout made national headlines, bringing the word “honor killing” into homes across the country. It even incited calls for justice against an island believed to be overrun with savages.

The Deedy case has in no way reached such a fervor, but even mentioning Massie underscores that racial tension is still just below the surface in Hawaii.

University of Hawaii ethnic studies professor Jonathan Okamura specializes in race and ethnicity in Hawaii. He’s also spoken with his students specifically about the Deedy case and the racial encounters they’ve had.

Okamura says the “anti-haole” question is valid because the sentiment is there. He does consider some of Hart’s claims about the symbolism of the case to be hyperbole.

“It’s not a secret to local people who live here,” Okamura said. “It’s a secret that the Hawaii tourist bureaus want to downplay, especially when this (type of) incident takes place in Waikiki.”

He said there’s historical and continual “blame-pinning against haoles” that comes from the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom, and the perception that the current political and economic structure is dominated by whites.

This is despite the fact that there are other ethnic groups that hold enough power and influence to also be oppressive here, he said. Hawaii is, after all, a melting pot with many varied cultures and ethnicities.

Waikiki is a place where many conflicts can arise between people of differing ethnicities, Okamura said.

It’s “an interracial contact zone” where tourists interact with locals, whether on the beach and sidewalks or in the shops and restaurants. He said tense racial undercurrents can also be strengthened by alcohol and result in an eruption of violence.

“In Hawaii, for the most part, face-to-face relations can be very positive,” Okamura said. “That doesn’t mean every interaction is positive, but it does result in obscuring the ways that we don’t get along.”

To many outsiders, these underlying tensions are concealed by Aloha, a friendly hello and goodbye that can hold deeper meanings of compassion and love.

But similar to the multiple interpretations of Aloha, events here can take on larger more complex meanings due to the historical context in which Hawaii became a U.S. territory.

“The issue of Hawaii history, I think that’s kind of a lingering cloud over the present,” said Kyle Kajihiro, of Hawaii Peace & Justice, a nonprofit group dedicated to demilitarization and social equality. “The fact that Hawaii was an independent nation and that it was overthrown by the unlawful military intentions of the U.S., that has never been resolved. There’s never been rectification for that.”

Kajihiro was involved in some of the protests during APEC, including the one that was put together after Elderts’ death. At that time, he said, the shooting symbolized the ramifications of APEC’s policies around the world.

Now, nearly eight months after the killing in Waikiki, Kajihiro says he still understands why Elderts’ death can represent more than just a tragedy. This resonates more when considering Deedy was an armed federal agent who was here as part of a larger, more visible police presence.

And while he admits there’s a significant amount of cultural and ethnic friction in Hawaii, he believes it can be acknowledged and set aside when putting a man on trial, even if he’s a haole from from the mainland.

“I think there can be a fair trial, and I think it’s offensive to assume that people are unable to be fair just because we have to consider all these historical and cultural factors,” Kajihiro said. “If you tried to purge all of that history and the context from this case and say you can only look at it on these terms and you have a jury that’s clueless about the situation, I don’t think that’s fair. That all colors and creates a more real complex picture of what happened and why.”

Okamura, on the other hand, was a little more blunt with his assessment of the case. He said Deedy’s attorney is “racializing” it, and perhaps even setting up his defense strategy. He also wouldn’t be surprised if Hart gets criticized as a result.

As to whether race was actually involved in the violence between Deedy and Elderts, Okamura said we’ll have to wait and see.

“We don’t know if there was any reference to race in that conflict,” he said. “It could just be two young males that got into an argument that escalated into a killing.”

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102 Responses to "Racism in Hawaii – How it Could Affect Chris Deedy’s Trial"

  1. chris Posted on April 4, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Deedy is what make the hard working respected fighters of our country look bad. No matter what Elderts said to him he shouldent have had his gun on him while he was drinking and then claiming he was doing his duty. WHAT A JOKE. But in America justice dosent prevail OJ SIMPSON, CASEY ANTHONY, CHRISTOPHER DEEDY. All as guilty as can be and Deedy will get off because of his status as an agent.Those who support Deedy are supporting crime and the right to murder and i consider you low lives

    • Henry Scroggin Posted on July 21, 2013 at 12:32 am

      There is racism in hawaii and all over the world. Nowadays it is more under control as people want to do whats right and accept all as equeal. There is al sharpton, jesse jackson, the new black panthers, who excite the black racism along with the kkk and the hawaii animosity towards white who conquered hawaii only to provide the best atmosphere to live happily.
      Who would you rather have owning hawaii? Russia, japan? Sorry the hawaii military can’t keep the us out…

      Just go with the flow and have respect for the locals whereever you are.

    • Crys Posted on July 29, 2013 at 2:28 pm

      Never mind the fact that young Hawaiian men try to emulate the whole urban lifestyle and act like thugs. What about the rights of that young ‘haole’ boy who was being picked on for no other reason other than being white?

      There are racist people everywhere, this officer was not the racist in this case. The young punks who hate white people are. Stop standing up for the thugs. Teach our children a better way than copying what they see on MTV.

      • bones Posted on August 23, 2013 at 12:45 pm

        What a load of bull. First off, the two “thugs” were just joking around and the ‘haole’ boy was drunk and didn’t even know what was going on and was starring at the two loud mouthed locals which was the only time where they could have been “bullying” them. The whole thing was nothing more than a bunch of drunks, Deedy anb his friends included, escalating something that was nothing more than typical vagrancy.

        Deedy should not have escalated by asking Elderts if he wanted to get shot, or stat that he would shoot him in the face. Two Marines tesitified that Deedy had said this. Once Deedy said these remarks, he was no longer acting in the capacity of a law enforcement officer, he was acting as a haole bully with a gun and a chip on his shoulder.

  2. Hawaiian Posted on April 16, 2013 at 2:38 am

    Hawaii racism…..Wow, and the US mainland has the KKK, White power and White supremacists people. You’re kidding right. LOL…..I’ll pray for your “Boy” he’ll need it,LOL

  3. Peter Easterling Posted on May 28, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Protesters did not “take to the streets.” Only Brook Hart, Deedy’s lawyer, brings up this irrelevant nonsense. Hawaii is not a seething cauldron of racial fury. I have lived in these islands all my life. The case is about killing an unarmed man, not racism.

  4. live here but not local Posted on June 6, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    Unless half of jury is truly educated and jury is 1/3 white, Chris Deedy will not get a fair trial in Hawaii. This is a very biased place and most locals have already convicted him just because the victim was local. It is clear that Elderts started the confrontation and then escalated it. Wish I were a jury member for this trial. Love to hear the real facts.

    • Herbi- live here and local Posted on July 9, 2013 at 12:46 pm

      You are the reason that ignorance still exists. Deedy was a Special Agent, he should know that he cannot brandish a weapon, especially off duty. There are responsibilities that needed to be followed to prevent these incidents regardless of how another person is acting unless Elderts himself had a weapon also. Deedy should have just called the cops after the victim did not respond to his badge. He was probably trying to show off in front of his friends. What would we all be saying if Deedy accidentally shot an innocent bystander?

    • Lisa Posted on July 11, 2013 at 3:29 am

      I know of a potential juror who was excused by the defense bc of her hx working with criminals. This person was a white female who would have made sure her decision was based on facts…but they were scared bc of what she said about the different standard of self defense as a civilian vs self defense as a public employee. Ha! They didn’t want a smart juror!

    • Lisa Posted on July 11, 2013 at 3:38 am

      Honestly at this point bitching and posting like myself is stupid. I do believe that both prosecution and defense selected a non partial jury. From now all that matters is if Deedy is innocent I hope for him his lawyers represent him well. If Deedy is not innocent then I hope the prosecution can prove it. But in the end it is up to the justice system. It should regardless of what it looks like from elders or Deedy be seen as innocent until proven guilty. If we don’t like the result of the trial then we should move to a different country that is communist or what have you and quit bitching. I hope that if Deedy is innocent he is found so. I also hope if he was out of line it will be determined and he will be punished accordingly. Yikes maybe the real point is for everyone to quit drinking and using drugs. Imagine how much more clear and sanely this situation could have ended up if that were the case.

      • Terry Posted on July 17, 2013 at 5:01 am

        Lisa I like your post it’s very telling of your intelligence on this issue. Mahalo nui aloha

    • Joe Posted on July 15, 2013 at 9:27 pm

      It appears that Deedy started the confrontation by approaching Elderts table. The customer that Elderts allegedly confronted, testified that he neither felt threatened nor asked for any help from Deedy. If Deedy had not gone to Elderts table, none of this would have happened.

      • lcoppe Posted on August 7, 2013 at 6:18 pm

        I read that the customer that Elderts confronted was so drunk, he didn’t even know anyone had been shot until he was told.

      • lcoppe Posted on August 7, 2013 at 6:29 pm

        “The customer that Elderts allegedly confronted, testified that he neither felt threatened nor asked for any help from Deedy.” Customer’s name was Perrine…

        “Perrine admitted he had three shots of tequila and a pitcher of beer that night. He said he didn’t even remember the fight or the shooting until another witness told him about it later that morning”

        I don’t think he is a good witness.

        Read more: http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/fellow-agent-testifies-on-day-4-of-deedy-trial/-/8905354/20953428/-/m49oc2z/-/index.html#ixzz2bKSR6nqQ

    • dv8r808 Posted on July 24, 2013 at 11:17 am

      Hawaii is the ONLY state in America where he and others would get a fair trial. In Hawaii racism is not a problem like the other 49 states in that, we don’t have huge racial lines, tension and fences like you do. Hawaii’s culture is composed of multi ethnic blood that runs through most of our residence, very few have only 1 nationality, in Hawaii ask any person on the street he’s going to say ” Filipino, Japanese, German, Popolo, Kanaka and Haole”. or something along those lines, my point is we are the melting pot of the US, its difficult for us to criticize or be criticized because we will probably have the blood running in our veins which you accuse us of being prejudice against.
      BTW what is a fair trial for Deedy? I cannot think of ONE government agency that requires you to carry a gun, on or off duty while drinking or on a substance with a BAC at any level. Witnesses in court, to include Deedys friends testified that he had at least 5 beers.
      How do you get off on facts like that? Fair is you review the Facts of the case and convict on the statements by witness testimony and apply the Laws of our land. If he gets off, that would be truly unfair by the facts I just mentioned.

      • bones Posted on August 23, 2013 at 12:57 pm

        Well said. Many outsiders don’t understand the Hawaii culture, they only see what they want to see, or get resentful because it’s not like the rest of the 49 states where non-whites aren’t on equal footing. Hawaii is the most balanced state I have ever been in. If you are a nice person, you do well in Hawaii. If you are an a-hole of any race, you do poorly. Deedy seemed to have had a chip on his shoulder that was placed there by his friend who warned him about the term ‘haouli”, and seemed to have just been waiting for an opportunity to use his authority. Unfortunately, for Deedy, he was unprofessional in his efforts to help the drunk kid who didn’t comprehend what was going on. The two locals were loud and obnoxious, but not dangerous. Deedy was bullying Elderts and he picked the wrong loud mouth to bully. Then Deedy did what he believed he was legally allowed to do. If the law allows Deedy to murder loudmouths that he picks a fight with, the country is more screwed up than I previously thought after having to watch the Zimmerman trial.

        • Chris Posted on August 28, 2013 at 7:16 am

          “Hawaii is the only state without racism”

          This is perhaps the ignorant thing I have ever read. You really think Hawaii is some utopia where everybody loves everybody and racism just disappears? Are you writing a satire? Or are you really that desperate to hide and cover up racist tendencies?

  5. natalie Posted on July 7, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    Anyone who is publicly drunk or high is WRONG from the start.I support Mr.Deedy for doing something to stop further escalation.Srry Mr. Elders died you was wrong!RIP.

    • roag macion Posted on July 11, 2013 at 4:57 am

      nat …..deedy also under the influence…..w/ a gun

      • Chris Posted on July 14, 2013 at 8:43 am

        Really were you there? Did you take his blood alcohol level? No because it was never taken. Eldert’s however was found to be drunk and have both coke and marijuana in his system. Nice try but facts are facts.

        • Local Posted on July 15, 2013 at 10:11 am

          Were you there? Elderts blood alcohol test was taken because he died and didn’t have a say. What was Eldert’s excuse for not being tested? Yeah that’s right; because he walked away alive and declined to be tested as he knew that being drunk and carrying a firearm means guilty. Enough said.

          • Local
            Local Posted on July 16, 2013 at 2:24 am

            I meant what was Deedy’s excuse for not being tested. He walked away alive. An opportunity that he took away from Elderts. So I’ll assume Deedy was drunk and high because he chose not to prove that he wasn’t.

          • jim
            jim Posted on July 16, 2013 at 9:31 am

            lol sorry “local” unfortunately your assumptions wont hold up in court. you can assume whatever you want you racist prick. but the fact remains, Elderts is a coke head and Deedy is a federal agent who would not have such a job if he did illegal drugs. Eldert’s died a coked out racist. That is his legacy.

            You even wrote eldert’s name LOL. Freudian slip? Go ahead and google it.

          • Terry
            Terry Posted on July 17, 2013 at 5:08 am

            At Jim why the anger and name calling? and your assumptions about Deedy being such a GOOD upstanding agent don’t hold up either if anyone is racist it’s you and what’s Deedy’s legacy? “No Can Handle ” he was in no way shape or form acting as a law enforcement agent, if he was Elderts would be alive asshole.

          • Jim
            Jim Posted on July 18, 2013 at 2:30 am

            Terry, your lack of grammar makes it very difficult to understand your post. Did you write in haste, or are you just not an effective writer? I apologize for calling Edlerts a coked out druggie. Let me try again,

            Elderts was high on cocaine and marijuana in addition to being wasted on alcohol. He died under these conditions after yelling haole to white people in a McDonalds.

            There is that better?

    • Joe Posted on July 15, 2013 at 9:32 pm

      Are you watching the trial? Deedy went to Elderts table to start the confrontation. The other customer did not feel threatened, and he did not ask for any help. Deedy took it upon himself to confront Elderts. Elderts may have responded inappropriately, but if Deedy didn’t go to his table, none of this would have happened.

      • Chris Posted on July 16, 2013 at 9:40 am

        So I walk up to you sitting at a table. You (as an angry local shouting HAOLE HAOLE HAOLE) dont like this. You then break my nose and dislocate my jaw.

        B-but judge h-he started it :(.

        Please do the island a favor and walk off a cliff. Deedy clearly acted in self-defense. You even admit Elderts reacted in an aggressive and inappropriate way. LOL. The “well he started it” defense might have worked for you in public school but not in a court of law. Read a book.

        • Terry Posted on July 17, 2013 at 5:16 am

          Is that what happened Chris? were you there? there are witnesses who were, your boy threatened Elderts as for broken noses and hurt jaws wasn’t it Deedy who complained that his jaw hurt, why don’t you do Hawaii a favor and shoot yourself in the face, better yet maybe you can get Deedy to do it for you. All you gottah do is say Haole BAM!

          wasn’t he claiming that he was saving some poor innocent bystander being attacked by Elderts and his friend? well that fell apart real fast huh? you just mad because the supposed victim claimed he didn’t feel any threat from the big bad bullies. You go read a book you fascist asshole.

          • Jim
            Jim Posted on July 18, 2013 at 2:35 am

            Terry lets be honest here. You know that you don’t actually know what fascism is so leave the big boy words to other people :)

            At least if you are just gonna use ad hominem then embrace it! But fascist? I actually lold at my computer screen. Ad hominem should attack the character in a relevant way, like me saying “terry your post is so lacking in logic and so obviously just your opinion that you must be one of Elderts coke head relatives working minimum wage correct?” See that is ad hominem. But if I were to just call you a “communist” out of nowhere you do see how that would make me look like an absolute moron with no definition of words or ideas.

            I would wager I have read about 200x more books than you :). Unless of course you consider comics as books. Then you might get me there!

        • Mom Posted on July 19, 2013 at 12:22 pm

          Thank you, Chris. these loco mocos are so ignorant including the lying robo cops, it’s enough to make you sick. So tired of hearing from these people. Elberts was a punk and so are his defenders. According to the emergency room doctor, seedy did not appear to be drunk… Now who is more credible, robo cop or doctor.

          • Terry
            Terry Posted on July 22, 2013 at 5:23 pm

            @ Jim you win! yes you are smarter and brighter and just simply Ovahlani! you know “up there” the upper crust, Feel better? but the fact remains Deedy is done. @ Mom so sorry for making you tired, maybe you need a nap and a break from us ignorant “loco mocos” and “punks” who do not agree with your positive point of view. Feel better? you both can have your opinion’s and that’s fine with me,now the jurors opinion on this matter now that’s what counts. Not defending Elderts but here you are defending Deedy. Now what does that say about you?

            And guess what? from what I read there are a few Loco mocos so to speak serving on the jury. hmmmmm

  6. alan Posted on July 8, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    he doesnt deserve a fair trial he was drunk.

  7. Herbi Posted on July 9, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    There are only 15000 recognized “Native Hawaiians” here, and just looking around…there are more White people here than Hawaiians so racism is not even an issue. He shouldn’t have had his weapon if he was off duty, he should have called the cops.

    • Terry Posted on July 17, 2013 at 5:21 am

      Nah no do that, why should Deedy call the cops? he’s a special agent with the feds and making them look really stupid right about now. Real Agents follow the rules and policy and don’t go bar hopping with their loaded service weapon. He was drinking beer but not drunk! well you could have fooled me by his actions on that video tape and witness testimony.

      • bones Posted on August 23, 2013 at 1:08 pm

        Exactly! Deedy’s initial response was one of hostility and escalation. He was not acting in the capacity of a responsible law enforement officer of any kind.

        Elderts may have been an a-hole, but an a-hole who should have not been approached and harassed by a drunk bully who was aching for an opportunity to abuse his power.

        My guess is Deedy felt out of place all night long, he was dressed like a total east coast fool, and was frustrated for feeling so out of place. He was itching to redeem himself in some way, he decided to abuse his power and now he’s looking at life. Good, he deserves it.

  8. Joe Posted on July 9, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    Fair? You assume that he won’t. Is that fair? Are Deedy’s friends going to tell the truth about his drinking prior to the incident? Or whether or not he identified himself as a law enforcement agent? Are Eldert’s friends going to be factual in their rendition of the incident? In the end a young man is dead, because two guys couldn’t get by their egos, and unfortunately, one of them had a gun.

    • roag macion Posted on July 11, 2013 at 4:55 am

      yeah drinking and guns usually don’t mix…..this deedy guy should have his gun and ccw taken away for life…..idiot….makes responsible owners look bad……just think this guys a special agent….

  9. roag macion Posted on July 11, 2013 at 4:50 am

    i’m surprised deedy wasn’t just put on paid leave…..in los angeles when lapd officers make a boo boo they r put on paid leave….then the other people start a lawsuit against the city……end of story

  10. Frank Posted on July 11, 2013 at 6:51 am

    Elderts was a sad loud mouth bully/loser who screwed with the wrong guy. In typical local style he wouldn’t have the aalas to confront Deedy with his brah behind him.

    • Joe Posted on July 15, 2013 at 9:37 pm

      You mean Deedy wouldn’t have had the nuts to go to Elderts table if he didn’t have a gun. Both men were bullys, unfortunately, one of them is now dead.

    • Chris Posted on July 16, 2013 at 9:36 am

      “died like a man”
      ahahahahahahaha. seriously. just LOL. Whew if dying like a man means getting shot in the chest while on cocaine then it shouldnt be too hard for you to die like a man as well.

    • Alf Posted on July 18, 2013 at 3:15 am

      “Remember it was not Hawaii who overthrew the American government!”

      What? Did you just remind people that Hawaii did not declare war against nor defeat America? Im pretty sure that was common knowledge :)

      As for who “overthrew” who back in the day, It is difficult to discuss such a topic as your knowledge on the issue is likely limited to what your parents told you. Im sure it goes something like “white man came and stole everything, if they didnt come you would be rich and life would be amazing” Am I correct?

  11. Joe Posted on July 11, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    I grew up in Hawaii. The article is spot on. People will deny it all day but there is a bias towards not liking mainlanders or the Haoles. Local punk mokes like to make trouble when they drink. Elderts choose to attack an armed agent and was shot. Ohh well. Maybe it’ll be a lesson to other dumb locals I grew up with. For the record, I grew up in the same town as Elderts and would see him around. He liked to pick fights with haoles and was a trouble maker. Unfortunately, most of Hawaii will put up their blinders and claim the local boy is always right no matter what. An HPD Officer was caught lying on the stand and posting his bias to facebook recently. The video that came out proves that Deedy had the right to do what he did.

    • sandy Posted on July 11, 2013 at 8:12 pm

      I was born and raised in Hawaii and am half White and half Hawaiian. Hawaiians don’t pick on anyone, they respond sarcastically to anyone who pushes their weight around. White people from the continental U.S. come to Hawaii and look and talk down to us. White people are born and raised to think that they are better than everyone else. Just because Deedy had a badge and gun didn’t make him right. Because Deedy identified himself as a “special agent” don’t mean jack. There were no dignitaries or members of Congress there in McDonalds for him to protect. Deedy will probably be found guilty – because he used deadly force for an unnecessary situation. When his fellow agent told him to watch out for locals, and he said he was taking his gun, his mind was set not to take lip from locals. Then he drank and when confronted with a local, he took it to the next level because he wanted to prove to himself and everyone else that he wasn’t going to be pushed around. A very unfortunate incident for everyone involved.

      • Chris Posted on July 14, 2013 at 8:46 am

        Hey idiot nobody cares about you or your race. It has no relevance. But you wouldnt know that would you? Eldert’s died an angry druggy (coke and marijuana found in his system) and will be remembered as a coked out racist. Why dont you leave the psychoanalysis to people with an education? If you ever tried to tackle me after calling me a haole (a favorite word of yours I am sure) I would shoot you dead. His life was in danger. Who knows what a coked out angry local is capable of?

        • Joe Posted on July 15, 2013 at 9:45 pm

          If Deedy had minded his own business, and not confronted Elderts at his table, none of this would have happened.

          • jim
            jim Posted on July 16, 2013 at 9:34 am

            I cant help but laugh. You completely ignore my entire argument but instead reply
            “uh no d-deedy w-was wrong”

            Well said sir. Coke and marijuana? Still no comment about that? No? I didnt think so as it would break the cognitive dissonance you have created as a result of your latent racism. Continue to walk around in ignorance though :)

        • Sandy Posted on July 17, 2013 at 7:54 pm

          Well, Chris, you’re the idiot because I am educated (Bachelor’s Degree from Washington Univ) and am proud to be Hawaiian. It’s people like you with the name-calling that think you are superior to everyone else. And I will call you a “HAOLE” because I am sure your skin color is white based on your rant. It seems YOU don’t need coke or liquor to shoot someone. Go back to where ever you came from as you are a danger to society.

          • Chris
            Chris Posted on July 18, 2013 at 2:38 am

            >He thinks a bachelors from a state uni is an education

            ahahahahhahahahahaha.

            “White people are born and raised to think that they are better than everyone else. ”

            They teach you that at school as well? Im pretty sure colleges advise against blanket statements with 0 facts to back them up. I understand though, you are mad and instead of thinking you just wrote what YOU believe to be true.

            Thankfully your bachelors in arts and crafts doesnt lend you to knowing much about law does it?

          • Mom
            Mom Posted on July 19, 2013 at 12:33 pm

            Nice sandy…wash u should be so proud of their educated Hawaiian graduate. This is not whether you are Hawaiian its about these ignorant “locals” looking to punk a “haole”.

        • Christi Posted on July 19, 2013 at 9:18 pm

          It scares me that you are threatening to shoot people. No one is saying they will tackle you. Are you angry at Hawaiians in general? Do you think we are all racists who want to hurt you?

          That ‘angry local’ was almost out the door when agent Deedy charged him. I don’t deny that Eldert’s was kicking his ass in the resulting scuffle, but in my opinion, Deedy started the confrontation and initiated the physical aggression. I don’t think self defense will hold up, especially since so many witnesses are saying he was drunk and shouting threats. Witnesses are testifying that they were afraid of Deedy, not Elderts. They were afraid of the drunk man with a gun.

          I don’t deny that Eldert’s was on drugs. Frankly, half the people I went to college with did those drugs, and they were all rich white kids! But we can save the discussion on the disproportionate enforcement of drug laws and its impact on society for another day. Just because he was on drugs that does not necessarily mean he was the aggressor.

        • Terry Posted on July 22, 2013 at 5:32 pm

          Wow Chris why so angry? and the threats? you are one tough Caucasian guy. LOL. as for Deedy’s life well it’s different now. “Who knows what a coked out angry local is capable of?” well we do know that Deedy picked a fight, made threats and killed a man. and now he is on trial, “for his life”

          • Chris
            Chris Posted on July 30, 2013 at 2:35 am

            terry: this is now the second comment I have read from you where you point out the following

            “Wow why are you mean?”

            “Deedy is on trial for murder.”

            I would like to personally thank you for pointing out Deedy is under trial by jury. Truly in depth commentary. But Im sure we agree that it is out of our hands at this point. We can only root from the sidelines. I merely try to point out logical inconsistencies where they occur and remind people that “brah dumb haole started it I KNOW IT” does not hold up in a court of law. Reading these comments you would think everyone knew the verdict already. When in reality they are commenting on something on which they have literally 0 knowledge about (self-defense, reasonable doubt etc). I apologize for getting testy but when I read dribble I tend to reply with dribble :)

    • Christi Posted on July 15, 2013 at 8:58 pm

      The video does not prove that, and your comments are offensive. I’m sorry you feel that way about Hawaiians. There are mean people of every color, but most people are good, and in my experience when you show aloha you get it back ten fold.

    • titarella Posted on July 27, 2013 at 9:40 pm

      @ Joe not this Hawaiian please don’t make blanket statements like that, I don’t put on blinders when some moke picks on or harasses a ha’ole, I have seen this and didn’t just watch or walk a way, 911 first then butt in after. notice how I used an “I statement” please don’t presume for others,

    • karen petersen Posted on August 1, 2013 at 2:22 pm

      My name is Karen Petersen and I am a former manager of a Western Temporary Services office in Honolulu, which is now Westaff. Some years ago I came face to face with the blatant hatred against white mainlanders, and as a result of slanderous, libelous accusations of a disgruntled employee, I was wrongfully terminated. I have since won my case and am now writing an article about my experiene in the Aloha State, both good and bad. If anyone is interested in contacting me about my experience, please contact me at kkwordsmith2 at gmail dot com.

  12. Christi Posted on July 13, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    I watched the video; Deedy did appear drunk, – I don’t think a federal agent would act that way unless he was drunk. There was a point in the video where his female friend is pushing him away, appearing to tell him to back off, leave it alone. Instead, Deedy pushes her aside and moves toward the victim. That decision is what makes it murder to me. He could have left or backed off at that point, as his female friend seemed to be pleading him to do. But instead he seemed to want to fight. And why not? He had a gun.

    This sets a dangerous precedent. People should not be able to brandish a weapon while they are intoxicated, nor should they start confrontations so they can win it with a gun and then claim self defense.

    With regard to racism in Hawaii, sure there are some people who are racist. Frankly, I saw WAY more racism in the mainland toward people of Color than I have ever experienced here. At least haoles don’t get pulled over because they are White, or followed around by security in department stores because they are White. There are a-holes wherever you go.

  13. Richard Sato Posted on July 13, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    bottom line: if you are a law enforcement officer, regardless of what branch, federal, state, or local,; if you are going bar hopping, leave your service weapon secured somewhere.
    To carry your service weapon while bar hopping and consuming alcohol is irresponsible and may also be against guidelines. Why would this hot shot find a need to arm himself while going bar hopping is beyond my comprehension. I can only speculate that this person is a power freak. If Deedy was unarmed, this would never have had to happen, and a life would not have needlessly have to be taken. Worse case scenario, up and up throw down and may the best man win. Shake hands and call it a night. But if Deedy had threatened to shoot me, you’d better believe i would try to grab the weapon had it been branished. You’d think i’d just stand there and let him shoot me after he said he would.
    Bottom line, this all could have been avoided had the inexperienced agent gone .bar hopping unarmed. This type of person is not federal caliber. I wonder how he passed the psych exam
    .

    • Chris Posted on July 14, 2013 at 8:48 am

      “I can only speculate…” “I can only assume…”

      Well Sato thank goodness your speculations and assumptions will not hold in a court of law. While you may not be educated (either in law or at all) some people are well versed in what is required for a murder conviction. Your ASSUMPTIONS about what happened have no influence. There is room for facts alone in the courtroom. Feel free to speculate from your couch though :)

      • Terry Posted on July 17, 2013 at 5:39 am

        @ Chris so you say: but you are not conducting this case you are not on the jury so all your puniala’s means squat. and that’s what Deedy will be doing when he is convicted in the Hawaii court of criminal law. It’s not looking so good for your friend so eat it and choke brah!

        • Chris Posted on July 18, 2013 at 2:43 am

          Sorry I dont speak Hawaiian but I am fairly certain “punialas” doesnt have anything to do with me simply stating that facts are important in a court of law. Nowhere did I say whether he will be convicted or not. Now now terry stay calm, I know I just refuted your entire post but please dont start calling me a socialist or fascist or any other random political ideology as I know you are inclined to do:).

          I suppose time will tell won’t it. I prefer to simply state that I hope the facts are shown and racial bais does not occur. You prefer to say “eat it and choke” (lol might have been funny if I was still 13) and make declarations about what the verdict will be. I HOPE deedy gets off. You HOPE he doesnt. Pretty simple. Neither of us really know and to say otherwise would be a lie.

          Also I am not your “brah” so keep that pidgin to your “brahs”

          • Terry
            Terry Posted on July 22, 2013 at 5:42 pm

            stating facts? BRAH! as for my pidgin this is a free country right? but I must agree with you on this! lets wait for the facts to come out, so far the facts have not exactly been too good for Deedy, just saying.=)

          • Terry
            Terry Posted on July 27, 2013 at 10:56 pm

            could carless what you are BRAH! but Deedy is not getting off. his defense is so week it’s not funny.

            Hawaii laws state deadly force is only allowed when a person believes it is the only way to prevent death, serious injury, kidnapping, rape or sodomy.

            “If you can safely retreat, you don’t have the right to use deadly force,” said attorney William Harrison.

            In Hawaii, you are not required to safely retreat when you are threatened in your home or workplace.

            “If someone breaks into your home in the middle of the night, you don’t know what they have in their hands, and they are an aggressor you may be entitled to use deadly force,” said Harrison. Deedy wasn’t home

            Self-defense with deadly force has been successfully used for cases of home invasions. Keith Kuraoka was not charged after shooting and killing one of five armed intruders who started shooting inside his Waianae home in 2007.

            In a number of assault cases, self-defense will be claimed by one or even both sides. Hawaii law does not gives self-defense protection for those who are responsible for the violence. you can’t start a fight, get slapped in the face and shoot someone.

            Deedy created the danger when he drew his service gun. Not Elderts.

            “You can’t be the aggressor in that situation. Get it? When someone is trying to assault you, commit a crime against you and you feel the immediate need to protect yourself you may be able to claim self-defense,” said Harrison. Elderts looks like he was fighting for his life and lost. He didn’t start anything with Deedy. Deedy Threatened to shoot him in the face.

            A person doesn’t have to wait until an aggressor attacks in order to defend himself.

            They may be justified in striking first and still claim self-defense to get rid of the threat.

            I understand the guy is Ha’ole you want to justify his wrong in making the victim wrong. Sorry unlike Zimmerman, Hawaii has video and witness testimony and our laws of self defense are way different than Florida.

            Read more: http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/a-look-at-hawaiis-selfdefense-laws/-/8905354/20894262/-/bxg9f3/-/index.html#ixzz2aJA55HkN

          • Chris
            Chris Posted on July 30, 2013 at 2:44 am

            @Terry pretty funny how I am your brah now? We should hang sometime brah! No foreal im sure we would get along irl. Anyways on to your post

            >Could careless

            Proceeds to write(ahem copy and paste) a 1000 word essay in response to me. Yes it really seems like you dont care at all :)

            Your posts are biased and lacking any facts as usual. He started it. He definitely did, no way he didnt, it doesnt look good, i think he is prob guilty, all of these terms mean nothing. If the video proves that Deedy started the altercation and is guilty of murder then so be it. However you post “you are right wait for the verdict” then follow with “you are just white and want a white guy to get off he is guilty 100%) Terry….terry terry…. I thought you had hit an all time low calling me a fascist when you didnt know what fascist meant, but this….. This is more than being an idiot, this is being a hypocrite.

            I have not seen much of the trial, or heard much really perhaps I am wrong? Has the jury found that Chris Deedy is guilty of murder and that video evidence proves it? Terry, now listen carefully terry, I know that is the PROSECUTIONS AND YOUR view of what happened. But what has the JURY found? Again, havent really followed whats going on as I am just mostly laughing at comments from locals so maybe I am wrong?

          • Kaulananapuaohawaii
            Kaulananapuaohawaii Posted on August 15, 2013 at 10:46 pm

            Please ignore this person. He is as racists as they come. Dangerous to society. A puniala with no ala’alas with too much time on his hands.

  14. Jim Posted on July 14, 2013 at 9:09 am

    It is hard to argue with someone like you as your argument is so immensely illogical that I dont even know where to begin. It what way is “Kill Haole Day” friendly joking. Is “Kill dumb, poor, uneducated hawaiian day” okay? I am just joking of course :)

    Your anecdotal evidence about how YOU never hear about it is irrelevant. Contrary to what you might think, just because YOU haven’t seen anything does not mean that it does not take place.

    Also the KKK has nothing to due with racism in Hawaii. Let me lay your your logic (I hope you dont need me to define that for you) for you.

    1. Hawaiians are not racist.
    Instead of citing evidence to support your argument you instead say
    2. I mean look at the KKK.

    Do you see how the two ideas are not relevant in any sense? There is racism in Russia and South Africa. Does that somehow justify racism in Hawaii? No. Racism is racism and comparing different types of it does not invalidate that there is SEVERE prejudice against whites in Hawaii.

    Look sir, I understand. You are local and want to protect locals. But a court of law will give the verdict. The plaintiff: A coked out local who is confirmed for shouting haole at people. The defendant: A trained agent who clearly felt his life was in danger and took precautions to protect himself.

    Have a good day.

  15. iloveyoumyhawaii Posted on July 14, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    I was born on the mainland , raised in Hawaii and proud to be half hawaiian and half haole. I can feel for both sides. However, if you tell your friend that you will be carrying your gun after being told that locals don’t like haoles; that sounds pretty premeditative to me.So, to Deedy in your own lingo; if you can’t handle the heat, then stay out of the kitchen. To the Elderts ohana; aloha nui loa to all of you. Kanaka maoli stand together for what is pono.

    • Craig Posted on July 16, 2013 at 9:54 am

      This is perhaps the most asinine of the comments on here. At least the others are openly racist. You pretend to be unbiased which is more despicable.

      “that sounds premeditative to me”
      Luckily your opinion matters little. What matters it the law and reasonable doubt, two things which you have no experience in whatsoever.

      “Deedy in your own lingo”
      What? Just what? Did you just attribute an old TV saying to a single man? Are you literally in need of special help? Im sorry but what does this even mean.

      “hawaiian mixed with english”
      yes your knowledge of 4 or 5 of the most common hawaiian words used by everyone on the island is very impressive.

      • iloveyoumyhawaii Posted on July 17, 2013 at 1:00 am

        Oh get a job. You need to get out more.

        • Chris Posted on July 18, 2013 at 2:45 am

          Thank you for addressing my post in an intelligent and informed way. I used direct quote to challenge certain assertions and your response “you need to get out more” WOW. Damn I am sorry I have been bested. Clearly I just need to go outside :(. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways by attacking my character instead of my argument.

          Also,

          >posted at 1:am on a weeknight. Yes Im sure you are a very hard worker with an important job :)

  16. Christi Posted on July 14, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Another important detail – Deedy started the physical assault. Deedy is seen on the video moving toward Elders and drop kicking him in the chest – while his hand is on his gun, of course. That really bothers me because he is initiating a physical confrontation with someone while he has his gun ready to use…in case of what? The guy fighting back?

    As I said before, this is followed by the woman trying to push Deedy away from the altercation, but he pushes past her. He charged at Elders again, initiating the scuffle that ended Elder’s life.

    It will be plain to jury that Deedy wanted to fight the victim, because he initiated the physical violence twice. A jury is going to think about that, and they will think about the fact that Deedy had his hand on his gun while kicking the victim (the implication being that Deedy was goating Elders into a fight, looking for an excuse to shoot him).

    Even though once the fight began Elders was clearly winning and you can see him punching Deedy in the face, the jury is not going to buy self defense for the above reasons.
    Watch the video for yourself.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_CDhTH_EgE

    Also, Whatever Elders said doesn’t matter. Making a racist comment is not punishable by death.

    • Craig Posted on July 16, 2013 at 9:48 am

      LOL look at this pleb trying to explain what will be “Evident” from a 2FPS blurry video. Thank you CSI video analyst. Christi I think it is about time you stopped trying to decide verdicts on your own, let alone deciding what the jury will think. Maybe if you are so capable you should be on the prosecution? Please tell me how you know exactly what the jury will decide? Whats that? You dont!?!?? You are just projecting your views on to the jury because you desire a certain outcome in the case? Oh well then just stay quiet.

      • Christi Posted on July 16, 2013 at 8:42 pm

        I will not stay quiet. If he gets away with this it means an armed man can start a fight with someone and the shoot them when they fight back.

        The video is not that blurry. It is a fact that he kicked the guy in the chest. It is a fact that he rushed the guy after his friend was trying to push him a way.

        • Alf Posted on July 18, 2013 at 2:59 am

          “If he gets away with this it means an armed man can start a fight with someone and the shoot them when they fight back.”

          Too bad that IS the law the you ignorant fool. Do you understand self-defense? How do you think Zimmerman just got off? As long as Deedy felt his life was in danger, he is justified in using deadly force to protect himself. While who started the conflict does matter so long as Deedy is not found to have premeditated the altercation, he will not be found guilty of murder.

          I know cases like this incite emotions and people usually have strong feelings but at least I respect the above commenters bias as emotional reactions to a tragic case. You on the other hand are commenting as if you have any clue of the law and how a legal case such as this will be decided. Pure ignorance.

          I would have more respect for you if you called me a dumb haole and told me to shut up. But where do you get off posting such a comment when it is so clearly misinformed.

          • Christi
            Christi Posted on July 19, 2013 at 8:48 pm

            First off, I am a hapa girl married to a white man, so I would never call anyone a ‘dumb haole’. And when the story first came out, I thought Deedy was probably innocent. The video and witness testimony changed my mind.

            I disagree with your interpretation of self defense. If Deedy was the one that exasperated the fight to that level, he will have a hard time claiming self defense. When his friend was between him and the victim pushing him back, her being there means that she did not think he was acting as a federal agent. If she thought that, she would have backed off and let him do his thing. Instead, “she doesn’t let him handle what’s going on. She’s trying to hold him back. That means his own friend believes he is not in control of his own person enough to make the correct decision. His own friend doesn’t think he is in a state to act as a police agent.” (quote from Landsberg Law Office – here’s the link http://808crime.com/2013/07/11/deedy-surveillance-video-honolulu-trial/ )

            So far, the trial doesn’t look too good for Deedy. Customers and law enforcement have testified that Deedy seemed intoxicated. Customers say he threatened the victim, saying “I’m going to shoot you in the face”. The defense is trying to say all the witnesses, including the cops, are lying. Is the implication that they can’t be trusted because they are all seeking revenge on this white man for the death of a local? If so, that’s very insulting to law enforcement and to every person of Color in Hawaii. That’s not going to fly with the jury either – does the defense trust the people of Color on the jury to weigh evidence objectively, or are they also blinded by their racism?

            You are right, I’m no lawyer. That doesn’t mean I’m stupid or ignorant. I think Deedy is probably an okay guy. But I believe he got drunk and irrational that night, and it cost someone his life. He has to pay for that, good guy or not.

          • Terry
            Terry Posted on July 22, 2013 at 5:04 pm

            So calling Christi names make you more credible? Not! Deedy cannot go around picking fights drunk or sober and then loose said fight then pull a gun, miss the victim twice at close range, barely missing another bystander and then kill an unarmed man, this agent claims he was protecting customers from Elderts Bullying um when was this? even the alleged so called victim said he was not feeling threatened by the victim. sorry but saying HAOLE! is not against the law.

            Your Boy is done!

  17. Local Posted on July 17, 2013 at 12:50 am

    @ jim.. your a whimp. Running your big nerdy mouth off behind your computer. You should try using the Freud mentality on yourself you faceless coward. You would never stand a chance in this real world promoting your hatred on others. So if it makes you feel better about being bullied by blogging your faceless hatred against a deadman, then continue. Cause you and I both know that in the end, one on one with no guns you lose. Aloha pumehana ia oe E Kollin. Moe I ka malu E Kollin. Kaulana na pua o Hawaii.

    • Chris Posted on July 18, 2013 at 2:53 am

      Ah the Hawaiian mentality at its finest.

      look friends see how it reacts when confronted with something it does not like. Instead of refuting anything I said or conceeding that Elderts did indeed die coked our and high on weed and alcohol he simply states

      “w-well i c-could beat you up”

      LOL. LOOOOOOOL. Truly fantastic stuff. It is almost like I am speaking to Elderts himself. I can see it now, Elderts, upset and angry like this gentlemen resorts to standard local logic of “hey I wanna punch this guy”

      This comment should be shown in court to prove how, when confronted with something their brains cannot comprehend, the immediate reaction is violence.

      I also had a good laugh at “you should try using the Freud mentality on yourself” Barring the fact that he likely has no idea what Freud said about anything (not that I hold anything he said to be true lol), instead of stating why it was not a slip he instead says something along the lines of “NO YOU.” hahaha, this is pure entertainment.

      • Christi Posted on July 19, 2013 at 9:41 pm

        Referring to a Hawaiian as an “it” is very offensive. Saying that violence is “standard local logic” is also offensive. You calling someone else racist is the pot calling the kettle black. It sounds like you have a lot of hate in your heart.

      • bones Posted on August 23, 2013 at 1:14 pm

        I’ve seen similar sock puppets, like Chris/Jim, before; What he suffers from is low-self esteem. He beleives that if he can convince himself that he is smarter or superior to others, in some fashion, there “might be” some truth to it that he can believe or cling to.

        It’s obvious that he is trying to convice himself after attacking a persons grammar, while failing himself on mulitple occasions with the use of improper grammar and punctuation. That’s another sign.

        The kid is just another Deedy.

  18. Xing Wong Posted on July 17, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    So if any of you aren’t from Hawaii I’ll note that the comment by “hawaiian” above indicates racism Hawaii racism……..”I’ll pray for your “Boy” he’ll need it,LOL” — I’ll also mention the “kill haole day” in many schools around the islands — when it was the recreation of the day to punch out a haole.

    So, why is CNN obsessed with Zimmerman and completely ignoring this case? Does anyone have any way to bring national attention to this?

    • Alf Posted on July 18, 2013 at 3:09 am

      Xing,

      Unfortunately it is unlikely to get national attention as the media in Hawaii has already tried to cover up and misinform the public about the facts of the case. In what is clearly a rather smart move by the prosecution, they have attempted to portray Deedy in a bad light in hope of inciting racial tensions in order to garner support for their case. In turn, this might sway the jury’s decision. It is a classic and very common strategy but many commenters do not wish to hear anything about the law or facts and only seem to care about getting their opinion on the case heard.

      It is unlikely that Deedy will receive a fair trial and I fear racial bias shall greatly influence the outcome of this case. Be careful mentioning any likely hood of racism in Hawaii though. In spite of “Kill haole day”, haole being used a racial slur daily, constant attacks of whites for “stealing land” and a overall dislike of anyone not local looking; they will deny ANY chance of racism being a factor.

      The irony of it all is most of these people are not even close to 1/4 native hawaiian, if native at all. Many other races have created a “local culture” in order to assert their place when in fact they have no ties to the land. At least most “haoles” will admit they are not native and appreciate the privilege of being on the island. However many filipinos, tongans, micros etc all feel as if they have a “better claim” to this land than “haoles.” When in fact they are both just as foreign.

      A truly sad case all around and hopefully the law prevails, instead of emotions.

      • Mike Posted on July 19, 2013 at 8:04 pm

        Well said. I am a 1/4 Hawaiian, from Oahu and I also had the privilege of seeing the world while on duty in the Army. It is very sad that local people feel animosity towards haoles because if it wasn’t for America taking over Hawaii this place would be taken over by some other weird country or even worse become a 3rd world territory. I am grateful for the things we have in Hawaii like freeways, military occupation which creates jobs for local people, walmart, target, etc. Local people don’t realize America did a whole lot for Hawaii. I notice a lot of locals who despise Federal Government collect welfare standing in line at the grocery stores with their EBT card at hand. How ironic! I can acknowledge the fact “kill haole day” exists when I was in high school. I was one of the few who would back up haoles because I have 1st cousins with blonde hair and blue eyes back in the mainland. So sad. I believe negative local mentality like that should be blamed on the pubic education system. Haole is not a racial slur but f**kin haole is. I hope Deedy will be found not guilty based on the evidence I have seen so forth. Elderts was not a productive citizen in society so I see no loss. Deedy on the other hand has a Federal security clearance, probably at the same level as me “Top Secret” and I can assure everyone, most people wouldn’t fit the criteria to posses one. Must have a clear background history, perfect credit, and must not have any negative associates their whole life. So Deedy (upstanding citizen vs. Elderts (known criminal). I’ll take Deedy any day.

        • bones Posted on August 23, 2013 at 1:20 pm

          What an ignorant and self serving post! First, having perfect credit isn’t the sign of anything, except possibly coming from a family that had more privilege than another. The entire system in our country is based on this notion of good credit. It benifits the privileged and punshies the lesser privliged. I’m not defending Elderts choice to be a drugged up criminal, but your defense of Deedy is illogical and clearly based on emotion. Second, nobody cares about your clearance, you aren’t the only one with a clearance and I would wager your access to call classifications of data is based on your one branch of service. You ought not attract attention to yourself in this way. VERY UNBECOMING.

      • Terry Posted on July 22, 2013 at 6:11 pm

        Alf at first when I read your post I was like WHAT? then I read the whole thing, thank you for being honest, and I tell you I have seen Haoles get attacked for no reason other than the fact that they were white, and I hate this with a purple passion, I hate seeing anyone attacked for no other reason then the color of their skin.

        As a child was guilty of this attitude. In the third grade a haole boy (he and his sister) were the only white kids in an Elementary school in Waimanalo. This Kid Billy kicked my ass, not in a physical way, but he used words like why do you hate me? what did I do to you? why are you hitting me? well needless to say he became one of my friends, other kids soon lost interest in bullying him because they had to fight me too.

        When my parents and grandparents found out that I was being a little racist bully, I can honestly say I got dirty cracks (got my ass beat)

        I have Billy to thank for giving me one of my most profound life lesson, never judge a book.

        And just wanted to say I can appreciate what you said, maybe not all but yeah I get it.

  19. Trippin Billie Posted on July 22, 2013 at 3:35 am

    I’m planning to contact Deedy’s attorney and the local media with my complaint regarding the Deedy trial. I was once arrested for DUI in Hawai`i. I went to court a total of 17 times before my case was finally dismissed. I’m not writing this to vent or as a “sour grapes” post. I’m writing this because the reports I’ve seen on Hawai`i local news are now starting to focus on Deedy’s sobriety – or – his alleged lack thereof.

    For my trial, I requested police reports from contributing “witnesses”. Every report I was given stated at the very beginning of each document; “When I met the defendant I noticed a strong odor of alcohol on his breath. He was slurring his speech and his eyes were glassy.” This pattern of “reporting” was repeated throughout EVERY report and EVERY Police Officer/jailer I encountered.

    It was as if EVERY report was written starting with a “DUI Template.”

    And BTW I had my charges dismissed because the arresting officer lied to me and denied my request for a “Blood Alcohol Test”. He also missed about 10 court appearances. Trust me – as a 35+ year resident of Hawai`i nei – I love my life and the state I live in however, I can confidently state that – this trial and its tactics are nothing more than the SOS.

    The point I’d like to make is – that the current emphasis on Mr. Deedy’s sobriety is a total load of BS and yet, that testimony has dominated the local news here in the Islands for the past week. I pray that this ridiculousness does not impact the jury’s decision as regards to Deedy’s guilt or innocence in this case. Any visitor or Haole resident in the Islands knows the fear and trauma Mr. Deedy must have experienced that tragic evening.

    As for the whole racial factor – yes – it’s true. There is a racial undertone of prejudice here in the Islands. But, after you live here for a while you assimilate. The people you meet with these types of racial biases are nothing more than morons. On the mainland these people are referred to as, “poor white, (or trailer) trash. The fact of the matter is here you learn to ignore/adapt to the stupidity. A person does need however more than 1 or 2 weeks in Hawai`i to truly understand, cope, or, learn to ignore the prejudice. As for all my white mainland friends, family, and visitors, I’ve found that most are just not used to being the minority. This feeling for some people is quite unsettling. I’ve found that my own personal minority status has been both humbling and educational. In time, Haole residents do learn to live with it. Unfortunately, Mr. Deedy did not have the appropriate advice or tools necessary to respond to his predicament.

    My prayers are with the Deedy as well as the Elderts’ families. Tragedy is tragedy; just look at the Travon Martin / Zimmerman trial. Unfortunately when fear, lies, prejudice, alcohol and drugs collide, quite often it’s a perfect storm; nothing positive or good ever comes from it. I have faith in Hawai`i people and I’m sure that justice will prevail. My heart goes out to the human race, our country, our state, those immediately impacted by this tragedy, and, our local citizens. Good luck everyone and aloha.

    • Terry Posted on July 22, 2013 at 6:18 pm

      @ Trippin Billie
      wow! I respect your opinion.

  20. Elizabeth Posted on July 24, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Sideway: I’m a white woman living in Hawaii for the last14 years. You were right on! In your description of the locals racist. My husband was attacked in the streets of Honolulu in 2001. Two local young adult beat him up and punched him in the eyes. They flee the scene.
    Recently I was attacked exactly the same way you described in your post.
    In my case, two Pacific Islander girls that I have never saw in my life before. They flee the scene but I chased them until the HPD caught them. I felt relief when I was able to testified against them in the court. They were found guilty but their sentence means nothing becasue they were minors.
    Even the prosecutor told me , He was feeling sorry for me. Because , while this girls beat me up and kicked me all over my body. Not body come to my defense. And there were witness to the attack. But they chooses to not do nothing, just watch.

  21. lcoppe Posted on August 7, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    I have lived in Hawaii for 8 years, my daughter was born here. Most of our friends are “local” and the majority of my daughters friends are Hawaiian or Asian. When they call me haole, they are not meaning it in an offensive way. When a stranger calls to me, “hey haole” or “hey f***ing haole”, you can bet they are being racist. Eldert was looking for trouble. From the time he yelled haole” to the guy in the McDonald’s, he was trying to pick a fight. I get tired of that attitude from locals towards white people – don’t blame me for your problems. You and your family perpetuate your own problems.

  22. Russ Stewart Posted on August 13, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    What is at the root of some of this “racial” challenge is the fact that the term “HAOLE” is much misunderstood by both locals and foreigners. Originally, the term was ONLY used to describe other Hawaiians. There were no white people here. The Hawaiians didn’t make up the term “haole” because white people were so special they needed to have their own personal classification. The word means “void of the breath of life”, “ha” meaning “life breath” or “spirit”, and “ole” meaning “no” or “to be without”. It described anyone of ANY ethnicity who acted in such a way that violated the Spirit of life. Capt. Cook and his men were initially thought to be like ghosts to the Hawaiians who had never seen someone who had no skin color. It was a descriptive word the Natives had commonly used, not a derogatory term.
    A black, brown, Chinese, Japanese, Hawaiian, anyone can be described as HAOLE if they are rude, arrogant, boisterous, heartless, mean, self centered, lacking of the Breath of Life toward others. Unfortunately, many mainlanders seem to be this way in their actions and their attitudes regardless of their race or color. The mainland is a different culture. The “UGLY American” is what we describe in our language as HAOLE. It’s a description of heart attitudes towards others and NOT a racial slur. I guess a haole can be described as a JERK. And yes, no matter what race or color someone is, if they’re a jerk, we’re prejudiced against them. Maybe both these guys were acting haole in this incident.

    • Chris Posted on August 16, 2013 at 3:05 am

      Russ,

      You either do not live in Hawaii or are SEVERELY misguided if you think the historical context of the word haole has any relevance. You know very well that Haole is not used EVER against anyone who is not white. Im not sure if you were around when Cpt. Cook was but we live in 2013 and words and their meaning change. Go ahead and show me a few examples of an angry Hawaiian man calling another Hawaiian or a Chinese guy a FUCKING HAOLE. Yes Russ, Im sure when Elderts was high on cocaine, marijuana and alcohol and called Deedy a FUCKING HAOLE he simply meant to say “Well excuse me sir, I do think you are quite a jerk and your attitude in unbecoming.” Or do you think he saw a white guy and decided to try to intimidate him with racial slurs.

      Im sorry Russ but your attempt to portray the use of the word haole on the islands as some sort of simple term for disliking someone is laughable and I am sure most self respecting locals would laugh at you as well. In case you still don’t get it, let me lay out another argument that follows your logic and I wonder if you will still agree.

      The term “nice” is from the latin root “nescius” which means ignorant or stupid. Therefore, since that is the original meaning of the word “nice” it is perfectly possible that when someone is called “nice” they mean it by the original latin definition. As in, when I call you a nice guy, Russ, I actually mean you are lacking intelligence.

      Do you see how farfetched and ridiculous that sounds? That is what you sound like when you say that Haole is used to describe people of any race as “without the breath of life.” It is a logical fallacy. Google it.

      • Russ Posted on August 17, 2013 at 2:54 am

        Chris,
        Wow brah! You have got some serious anger and prejudice issues! For your information, I was born and raised in the islands since the days of Hawaii being a territory. I experienced the prejudice against the Hawaiian people, the banning of the language, the educational inequities, the segregation and social casting to keep non-whites from advancement in the job markets or political realms. if anyone is “not from here”, it’s you Chris. Either that or you were a participant in the self segregation of those who thought they were better than other races. and don’t assume to know what racial decent I am because it doesn’t matter. The term “Haole” was corrupted in its use first by foreigners as they misinterpreted its meaning to mean “white person” and then self appropriated the incorrect meaning to themselves. The obscenity you use as a prefix is not a Hawaiian word, it has been taught to the Hawaiians by Americans. Unfortunately, it seems you are more interested in starting a fight than you are in having a discussion which shows that you really are haole in your mindset. It’s this kind of violent attitudes that precipitated all this trouble in the first place. You just need to chill out. I never judged either men in this tragedy, just tried to bring in some education which you seem to reject if it doesn’t give fuel to your hatred. So sad. By the way, I’m pretty sure Elderts is a Caucasian name, but then again… he’s probably not pure. So, which half of him was the problem here? Which part of him was the violent half? Judging by your nature, I think it might have been the Elderts half, not the Hawaiian fraction of influence.

        • Chris Posted on August 23, 2013 at 4:14 am

          Russ,

          I find it interesting that instead of addressing my argument or logic you simply say that I have “anger issues.” This is what is called an Ad Hominem attack. It means that instead of trying to address my example of the latin root of “nice” you completely ignore it, attack my character, and hope that I will just forget it and move on. Unfortunately its a logical fallacy.

          I must say I laughed pretty hard when you say that I am not “from here” but then immediately say that racial “decent (sic)” doesn’t matter. Then why take the time to challenge my authenticity as a Hawaii resident? Hmm??

          The cognitive dissonance in your post is dripping and really quite offensive even. Forgive me if I rejected the “education” you brought in. I did so (logically) because it flatly denied any racial connotations with the word Haole. You seem to be reaching for anything to try and absolve that word as hurtful and you are wrong to do so. Would you tell a native american that he is misinterpreting the word “Redskin”? Would you tell a Chinese person he is misinterpreting the word “Chink”? These types of words, along with haole, and regardless of their original usage, have clear and defined racial connotations. Words evolve Russ. We are not in early 1800s Hawaii.

          Now let’s try one more time (but I think, it might be hopeless), why don’t you attempt to attack my argument and the examples I have laid out? Instead of saying “chill out, you must be a haole.” Maybe you could use reasoning skills? But no, you are likely to completely omit any part of my post that logical destructs your argument because it is much easier to say to yourself “well he has anger issues, dumb haole” and move on with your life. It is much more difficult to acknowledge prejudice like many of us “haoles” have learned to do.

          Have a good day Russ.

  23. kimobama Posted on August 16, 2013 at 3:21 am

    Read Deborah Morel’s blog about racism in Hawaii and how it connects in the Deedy trial; http://dakinetalk.blogspot.com/2013/08/christopher-deedy-chronicles-of-racism.html

  24. kimobama Posted on August 16, 2013 at 3:23 am

    Part-2 of the chronicles of racism, “When Time stand still,” speaks of Elderts mile long rap sheet and how Deedy was not drunk.
    http://dakinetalk.blogspot.com/2013/08/chris-deedy-when-time-stands-still.html

  25. Big Island Girl Posted on August 18, 2013 at 12:13 am

    If Deedy is not found guilty then we have no justice system here in Hawaii. Deedy claims he was carrying his gun because he was on call. If he was on call then why was he drinking alcohol? Deedy made some bad decisions while under the influence of alcohol. Deedy like Zimmerman should have minded his own business. Both cases show that you can approach someone and when that person kicks your ass then all of a sudden they pull the self defense card. Well maybe you should have minded your own business cause your not as tough as you thought you were. That’s what we have on duty sober policemen for. Maybe you should have called one of them.

  26. bjhc Posted on August 20, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Racism or not it is irrelevant. Was he legally drunk? This is the only pertinent question in this (criminal proceeding) case. Forget about racism, anti-haole, etc.

  27. pilot Posted on August 22, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    One fear that I have as time goes on without a verdict is that the jury may not be able to reach a verdict. I really dont know how that can be. Having been an attorney for many years, the law and the facts in this case appear quite clear to me, ie self defense and defense of others by a law enforcement officer, not “was he legally drunk”. The testimony in the case does not support the state’s contention that he (Deedy) was legally drunk. The testimony of the bar tender and the physician and nurse who treated him at Queens stated that he was not impaired. They are arguably the ONLY unbiased witnesses as to his sobriety. The police did not document their observations in a timely manner and the evidence technician did not document hers for more than a year, which smells, at best of biased and at worst of perjury. Of course Deedy himself would be biased in that respect. He admitted 34 beers over a 5-6 hour period with at least one meal, maybe two.

    Obviously, based on the comments I read on various posting sites, there are many who disagree and feel that it is much better for a law enforcement officer to just walk away from a problem and leave weaker persons to the abuse of bullies, to mind his or her own business.

    However, one thing that is crystal clear to me is the animus and bias shown, not only in the posts and comments left by many, but by the bias of the court and the totally unnecessary vindictiveness shown by the prosecutor. A prosecutor can aggressively pursue a case in a professional and courteous manner. Futa was neither courteous or professional and she encouraged her staff to treat the defense team poorly as well.

    Which brings me to the point of my post. In the most unfortunate circumstance that this jury is unable to reach a verdict, this case, if retried (and I have to think with the animosity that the prosecutor’s has for the defendant that would be the case) this case needs to be moved to another venue, probably on the mainland. The case has received more Hawaii coverage than any case I can remember, it has largely come down along racial lines (although I have seen many posts by locals in support of Deedy), the media coverage, particularly in the early stages was very biased (it has tempered some since the facts have been put before the public). It would be virtually impossible to get an unbiased and uninformed jury in Hawaii after all of the on-going live coverage of this trial. Additionally, in all of the years I have been around courtrooms, I have never seen a judge wait days to charge a jury, let them deliberate a few hours, then give them a three day weekend, during which time they could read the papers, watch the tv coverage, and be influenced by friends, family, and media, if they had not been already. Oh yeah, the judge instructed the jurors to avoid seeing, watching or talking to anyone about the case. Are you kidding me? This jury probably should have been sequestered from the outset, but certainly should not have been sent home for a three day weekend. (It will be interesting to see what the judge does with them this weekend, since she has been letting them off every Friday during the trial.)

    This trial has exposed the ugly underbelly of the “Aloha” culture, state, and judicial system.

  28. bones Posted on August 23, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    You have a massive chip on your shoulder and it’s clear that you view everything threw the lense of race. Your opitions and beliefs are shaped by your own thoughts and beliefs, not those of others or actions.

    You also made up a lot of data based on speculation. You are a poor excuse for law enforcement.

    You probably just didn’t fit in and because of not fitting in for the very first time in your life, you blame those who didn’t accept you. There is a culture here, either you fit in or you don’t. It doesn’t matter the color of your skin, it’s what’s inside that counts. And all you have inside of you is resentment and prejudice.

    You make me sick.

  29. Kajukenbo808MMA@gmail.com Posted on August 24, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Anyone who thinks that racism is not a factor in today’s Hawaiian lifestyle is completely oblivious to the obvious. I pray that Deedy gets a fair trial and is proven innocent, but I’m not holding my breath. This is coming from a local boy (Kailua-Kona born and raised- but GLADLY left the islands for a better life).

  30. disqus_NpViDkngrn Posted on October 15, 2013 at 3:15 am

    Can a White
    Federal Agent Who Killed a Hawaii Local Get a Fair Trial? The ethnic breakdown of the prison population in Hawaii seems to indicate that the answer to this question is, “Yes.” As of June 30, 2010, 27% of those incarcerated in Hawaii penitentiaries were white, which is very close to the percentage
    of haole residents to the total population here, 24.7%. As such, one can conclude that haoles are treated equitable by our police, juries, and courts of law. By contrast, people of Hawaiian/Polynesian ancestry were vastly overrepresented in the prison population at 45% as compared to their 8.9% of the total population. So ironically, it appears that if the roles were reversed, it is very likely that Elderts would be the one who would not receive a fair trial.

    Regarding the balance of the article, it is apparent, to at least one “local” born and raised in Hawaii who has experienced many years of living on the mainland (me), that the author is significantly biased against us nonwhite locals. With all due respect, Nick Grube makes/reports statements that belie realities, confuses the impact of one important historical event while taking pains to downplay/diminish another (even seems to imply that many locals are still inexplicably and overly angry about this event and hate all haoles because of it) , and completely ignores what primarily drives much of today’s local pushback (Note: locals include local haoles born and raised in the Islands and mainlanders who have fully accepted and acclimated into our culture) against mainlanders, which can possibly explain much of what happened that fateful night. In his defense, however, it should be noted that not many people of one
    culture can accurately capture the subtleties of another without first living
    in that foreign culture and developing intimate friendships with an array of “locals” who trust him/her enough to share truths.

    Anti-mainland, anti-haole sentiment has not changed over the course of the Deedy trial. In fact, no one I know ever thought of this trial as a white guy vs local guy controversy. To us, it was simply a case of a drunk, armed, and self-defense trained adult versus a drunk, belligerent, but unarmed kid.

    Additionally, we are one of the most liberal states in the country with an all too powerful democratic party and more often than not fully support the federal government in nearly all things. We generally like the government and its
    employees, never feeling any animosity towards any of them (unlike some in the
    mainland). Everyone seems to have a friend or family member who is a government employee, and they get incredible benefits which we think everyone should have.

    Furthermore, although the Hawaii of the past was completely dominated by haoles, who readily and consistently discriminated against nonwhites on a daily basis believing it to be correct, the 1960s saw a great political shift as nonwhites gained political power at all levels of government due to their majority numbers.
    And as time went on, corporate Hawaii also began to change finally seeing a few nonwhite born and raised locals become executives in some of our
    state’s major corporations (local executives at these corporations are still
    very low in numbers). Note: going backwards in time, our elected
    governors’ ethnicities’ were white male, white female, Filipino male, Hawaiian
    male, Japanese male, and white male. Of course, all the appointed governors were white males.

    Regarding the independent kingdom of Hawaii, the Hawaiian people lost their land, their right to self-determination, their religion, and nearly both their language and culture in their entireties, at the end of guns of white invaders. (Note: families of East Coast missionaries to this day own more than 90% of privately owned land in Hawaii). And sadly, people of Hawaiian ancestry now
    account for not even 9% of our total population. But interestingly, the author does not seem to understand that only ethnic Hawaiians were directly affected by the white primarily American invasion.

    The vast majority of us “Hawaiians” are not ethnic Hawaiian and therefore have no connection to nor stake in the Hawaiian Kingdom. As such, we don’t blame-pin against haoles because of the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom, but rather have other complaints against mainlanders. Of interest, though, is that all these frustrations are pretty much the same regardless of ethnic background (remember, local haoles express the same concerns against their mainland cousins), which leads us to the Massie Affair.

    Although the author’s explanation of the Massie case appears to be factually correct, no attempt seems to have been made to capture the enormity
    of the case as it impacted locals, especially at the time. In contrast, he included the highly combustible phrase “Kill Haole Day” early in this article. And although no one I know ever talks about the Massie case, I for one do believe there are parallels – primarily, a white mainlander attempting to impose his will on a brown skinned local shoots the local at point blank range killing him because he did not comply with his presumed superior’s demands. Note: it is probable that most people born and raised in Hawaii, especially our youth, have no knowledge of the Massie Affair whatsoever. But since Grube brought it up, he could have
    easily more fully captured the injustice and emotions of the Massie case as
    follows.

    First off, evidence showed that it was impossible for the men to have raped Massie, who was also known to have psychological and marital problems. Was this the first time that a white woman cried rape against a nonwhite man with similar consequences for the unjustly accused? Second, the white controlled press actively promoted racist fervor against non-whites – many whites considered “The fact that the men had not been convicted of the alleged
    rape only proved to the mainland press that Hawaii itself was a hotbed of
    anti-white racial hatred….” Note: whites completely controlled the government,
    business, judiciary, military, and police here in Hawaii at the time. Third, the police caught these vigilantes with the tortured and naked body of the Hawaiian man they had just killed in the backseat of these torturers/murderers’ car when they were stopped on suspicion of kidnapping. Fourth, despite no reasonable
    doubt that these murderers had both planned and carried out the murder, the
    killers were convicted of manslaughter rather than first degree murder. Fifth, it was reported that great pressure was put on the jury by government officials (all white) to acquit. And lastly, when these people were convicted, they served only one hour of their mandatory 10 year sentence in the Washington DC appointed governor’s (also white) office. They were too “good” to be put in jail.

    As relevant as our history is to our distrust of mainlanders, however, more important and applicable to today, is that everyone here seems to have one or more stories to tell about uncomfortable interaction(s) they have had with a mainlander. Interestingly, they are not much different from the stories told by minorities in the mainland but with a twist since we locals are still in the majority here.

    Many have to do with cultural insensitivities. For example, it is considered extremely rude not to wave a thank you to someone who lets you merge into their lane. Those newly arrived from the mainland just don’t think to do so and are therefore perceived as pushy, entitled, and rude. But these incidents are minor and simply lead to a small dislike and comments such as “these haoles think they own the road”; what irks locals most is the perception that many mainlanders think they are better than us and act accordingly.

    Most mainlanders are very cool: fun, kind, generous, considerate, respectful,
    and easy going. They exhibit having no problems with locals, readily accepting our multi-cultural distinctly peculiar ways, including unusual foods, and point out their own weird ways in contrast, all with a good natured laugh. They do not
    think of themselves as superior to us; they do not look down on us; they do not
    try to take over all that is around them; they become our friends.

    By comparison, some mainlanders observe our ways with upturned noses, rude comments/jokes made secretively to each other, judgments, and looks of distaste. And the very worst try to control us thinking the mainland ways are better; taking over and changing everything around them to better suit their personal tastes and desires with no regards for local needs and customs. A small example: we were waiting our turn for a court at the local tennis court complex, sitting outside the fenced area directly in front of the court we had chosen to wait for as was the custom. When it became vacant, a couple of haole
    mainlanders quickly ran to the court and began playing. When we approached, they first ignored us. And when we unexpectedly spoke up telling them we had been waiting for the court, one started to mouth off – we got it, we’re going to keep it. Luckily the other decided to leave; I guess he got unnerved when he realized everyone at the courts were watching and were ready to come to our aid. You see this kind of “take over” mentality on display by mainlanders all too often.

    Note: many mainlanders immigrate here to get away from the mainland way of life. And yet, some subsequently spend enormous energies trying to change Hawaii to mirror the mainland. Other than perhaps an uncontrollable need to
    control others (always in the name of doing good), I have yet to find a logical
    explanation to this strange schizophrenic behavior.

    Some mainlanders always seem to have to “speak up” and control everything around them. They just have to say something, even when it’s none of their business. And often by local standards their statements are rude, aggressive, and snotty. To many of us, they seem to be looking for a fight.

    Frankly, speaking up can be a good thing, but when tainted by an aggressive I am better then you attitude, it usually leads to trouble here – aggression is met by angry verbal responses, and the situation can quickly escalate to violence if the busybody, whether mainlander or local (I have never seen two locals fighting each other, perhaps because we know how to talk to one another, to be respectful, to not talk down, to diffuse), does not shut up and just go away. Note: I noticed harassing/provoking non-whites is considered a fun game by certain white mainlanders and is a more common occurrence than most white folk will admit. Every minority I have ever met, though, has a story to tell, harassment against them that made them feel uncomfortable and unwelcome, including having racial epitaphs thrown in their direction (the sly ones call out racially loaded language to their friends just loud enough for the target(s) to hear, which is usually followed by laughter within the group. The really smart ones are even more clever, simply saying things like, “Who let them in?” Incredibly, some will even use their own bodies to physically block the “undesirables’” movements. You mainlanders know what I mean. If I have seen it too often, so have you.).

    And how many times have you heard of instances where a minority is harmed, even physically, and the white guy is let off, whereas when the roles are reversed, the non-white is often arrested. I even saw an incident where when a white guy was making rude racially charged comments in a restaurant and someone who happened to be nonwhite complained, the brown-skinned people were asked to leave.

    In another incident, I witnessed an altercation where a black security guard was physically attacked by a group of white kids, pushed into a swimming pool then kicked so hard in the head when he surfaced that he passed out and sank to the bottom of the pool. Bystanders had to jump in to save his life; none of the kids made any move to help.

    The security guard said he had asked the kids to calm down; they were getting way too drunk and rowdy which we all witnessed. The white kids claimed they attacked the man for saying lewd things to their girlfriends. Interestingly, only when some black kids began confronting the white kids were the police called – no one seemed to think it was a police matter when the black security guard was almost killed!?

    And incredibly, none of the white kids were arrested by the police. And unbelievably, the black security guard was subsequently urged by his employers not to file charges. To our dismay, he didn’t. Where have we heard stories like this before? Note: This incident brought out the true nature of many of our neighbors with most white people immediately assuming, unwaveringly insisting the black man had provoked the kids, despite all reports to the contrary made by
    eyewitnesses. The more politically savvy simply stated that the property management should never have hired a black man to “tell white kids what to do.” This folks, is the real Orange County, CA. White power is alive and well in this all too conservative county.

    Here in Hawaii, because locals are in the majority and therefore hold much of the political power, we now receive equal treatment by the police and courts, and therefore, are no longer afraid of the haoles. We trust that the awesome power of the state will not be indiscriminately used against us today as is had been in the past. Deedy probably did not understand this when he decided to mouth-off, to control Elderts.

    It may never be truly known by us, the general public, why Deedy first approached Elderts, not the other way around. We may never know what he actually first said, and how he said it, to Elderts and whether or not he confronted Elderts only to defend another mainlander who subsequently stated that “he ‘shrugged off’ Elderts’ comments, didn’t feel threatened or in need of help, and just walked away.” Was Deedy truly coming to the aid of a fellow
    haole or did he confront Elderts with other things in mind?

    Could it be that Deedy believed that this nonwhite person had to put in his place? Was he looking for some fun as perhaps he was accustomed to do in the mainland and smartly targeted Elderts’ for his game, not expecting Elderts to stand up for himself? Since this article is about racism and behavior, isn’t it important to understand Deedy’s views on race relations and the nature of his general character? It seems that he likes to drink and party; did partying include seeking thrills of confrontation, hunting and subduing some minority? Did he expect the local to back down and put such a low value on this brown-skinned’s life that he shot three times? Considering he was highly trained in self-defense, use of weapons, with much practice, does it seem logical that he shot out of fear for his own life or rather that he was just drunkenly pissed-off, especially since Elderts seems to be winning the fist fight?

    Also of interest is that Deedy’s friend Gutowski, who is now a resident of Hawaii, was also involved. It is likely that he hasn’t lived here for very long, though. A kama’aina would have diffused the situation and/or “just walked away”, not heated things up and certainly would not have lunged at Elderts as Gutowski had reportedly done. A mainlander gone local would have known that a fight would result in situations like this, regardless of race. One has to wonder if Gutowski had not developed an angry grudge against locals, for whatever reason(s), and got involved to act out his own frustrations. Perhaps he even transferred some of the hate/fear he has for locals to Deedy, which combined with security agent Finkelstein’s warnings about locals, could explain why Deedy was carrying a loaded weapon in the first place, and why he without
    hesitation used it against an unarmed local kid. We know we have a few bad eggs here in Hawaii, but we also know locals, even the bad ones, do not punch without first being provoked, whether it be a physical kick or some terrible, highly disrespectful words. We also know that a fight is always preceded by, “So what, you like fight? Come on, then.” It takes two to tango, Deedy had to have
    wanted conflict; he would have been forewarned.

    A local haole boy said it best when it comes to local-haole race relations here, “It is possible to grow up white in Hawaii without ever experiencing racially motivated violence. I did. I can’t speak for all local haoles, but in my experience avoiding interracial or interethnic conflict is mostly about displaying respect, cultural sensitivity and common sense. Of course, assholes come in all colors, and some are immune to reason. More often than not, though, they can be avoided.” Well said, and know that he could be talking for all races here in Hawaii. To us, a disrespectful, controlling, big-mouthed, snobbish jerk is an asshole regardless of his race, and we respond accordingly. Just chill, be respectful, smile and laugh alot, and you will fit right in!

    Although it is unlikely Deedy’s killing of Elderts was premeditated, he did kill him and needs to atone for his evil act. No one should be able to provoke/start a
    fight and then claim self-defense when he subsequently shoots his opponent, who is armed with only his fists, at point blank range killing him, especially so
    when the killer is a trained law enforcement officer.

    PS Does Deedy have anger/race/authority issues like George Zimmerman?

    PPS Kill Haole Day, Kill Jap Day, and Kill Pake (Chinese) Day, etc. were not urban legends. The dates of these annual events were well publicized, so were known by all; but nothing ever happened. In fact, we all knew that if any of us were ever harassed, regardless of the day, we would be ok if we just walked away; we would not be pursued. Although it wasn’t right to be even threatened, none of us ever thought nor developed any uncontrollable anger to “fight back,” to subdue the tormenters. We simply did not have anything to prove nor have any need for a thrill confrontation. We had better things to do.

    I guess some were concerned enough to approach the administrators of our school, however, who began to recognize that even the thought of violence was having a negative impact on learning. A special education class was created and all the trouble makers were rounded up and put into this new, a special just for them class. They even had their own schedule, which started early and ended late with recesses and lunch breaks different from the rest of the school; in effect, these special cases were kept from mingling with other students throughout the school day. Interestingly, a couple of mainland haole kids were in this class. I guess they have bullies in the mainland, too.

    • Invicta81 Posted on June 12, 2014 at 11:25 am

      You use that racist word, “haole” quite a bit in that diatribe of yours. I guess you like it? Wonder if you would dare call a black person the N-word? Racism is rampant in Hawaii and all you did was try to justify it.

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